Awal:Tamurt n Yeqbayliyen

So, what needed to be changed to make the Kabyle into unified Tamazight, and why? Anderssakoul 20:25, 10 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

Proposed text changes by Aryaz:

Tamurt n Leqbayel (neɣ: Tamurt n Izwawen) d tamnaḍt yellan di Dzayer. Ayt bab nnes qqaren as "Tamurt Idurar" neɣ "Tamurt" ukan. Imezdaɣ nnes, Iqbayliyen, neɣ Izwawen, ssawalen Tamaziɣt Taqbaylit, yat tantala zi ger tantaliwin Timaziɣin.

Amezruy

Zi zik ittwassnen Izwawen ɣer igduden nniḍen n umaḍal. Di tallit taqburt, adrar n Ǧerǧer yella yettwasen ɣer Irumiyen s yisem n Muns Ferratus ("adrar n wuzzal"). Ibder iten Aurelius Victor deg wedlis nnes (De Caesaribus 39.22: "nationes Quinquegentanae") d Eutropius (Breviarium 9.22: "Quinquegentiani").

Numidya: si timiḍi tiss 3 ar timiḍi tamezwarut zzat i Yeccu.

Tasertit

• Sin ikabaren isertanen ay yellan di Tmurt n Leqbayel, ɣas akken xsen ad ilin d ikabaren iɣelnawen (=inamuren) maca imeɣnasen nsen llan seg Leqbayel ukan : Tirni Iɣallen Inemlayen (FFS) n Ḥusin At Ḥmed, d Wegraw i Yedles d Tugdut (RCD) n duktur Saɛid Saɛdi.
• Laεrac ffɣen-d di Tafsut Taberkant (2001) maca am nutni am FFS d RCD lhan d wayen i ceɣben Idzayriyen s umata, ttun tamurt Taqbaylit.
• Timanit i Tmurt n Iqbayliyen (MAK) ay yesbedd Ferḥat Mhenni iban-d daɣen di Tefsut Taberkant, d amussu ikkaten s webrid n talwit akken ad issiweḍ ar timanit n tmurt n Leqbayel.

Tarukalt

Tamurt n Izwawen d aḥric seg idurar n waṭlas teṭṭili ɣef Yilel Agrakal si tama n ugafa.

Tamurt n Izwawen ibḍa tt udabu ɣef 8 n twilaytin : Tizi Wezzu d Bgayet akken ma llant, tafult tameqqrant n Tubirett d Burǧ Bu Ɛririǧ, azyen seg Tamsilt, Ǧiǧel, Bumerdas d Sṭif.

Tadamsa

Tadamsa n temnaḍt n Leqbayel tbedd ɣef tkerza d tsebbabt.

Imezdaɣ

Izwawen zemren ad ilin iwḍen 7 (sa) neɣ 10 (mraw) imelyan. Gar-asen azal n 5 neɣ 6 imelyan di Tmurt, rnu asen 1 (yan) neɣ 2 (sin) imelyan di Dzayer-tamanaɣt d iɣerman nniḍen, d wazal n 2 imelyan di tmura nniḍen, gar-sen iminigen di Turuft.

Anderssakoul 20:54, 10 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

I suggest removing (neɣ: Tamurt n Izwawen), or putting both (neɣ: Tamurt n Izwawen) and (neɣ: Tamurt n Iqbayliyen) if these are commonly used to refer to the geographical region, even historically. Also to say Imezdaɣ instead of Ayt bab or Imawlan, since it's neutral. Anderssakoul 21:07, 10 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

Rifian text for comparison

(From the English Wikipedia page, translated by Aryaz)

Leqbayel niɣ Tamurt n Leqbayel d tamnaḍt yellan di ugafa n Dzayer. Leqbayel d aqessis zeg Idurar n Ettell, tus-d xef tma n Yilel Agrakal. Leqbayel teddal aṭṭas n temnaḍin n Dzayer: marra Tizi Wezzu d Bgayet, azyen ameqqran n Tubirett (Lebwira), d ca n iqessisen n temnaḍin n Burj Bu Ɛririǧ, Jijel, Bumerdas, d Sṭif. (mani tella Tazyazzalt Tanamurt n Guraya) d Tazyazzalt Tanamurt n Ǧurǧura, usin-d ula d nitni d Leqbayel. Iqqend-d wer narekkʷi "Leqbayel" ak iwdan "Iqbayliyen" mani nneḍni: ca n 25% (25 di tmiḍi) n yiwdan Iqbayliyen zeddɣen di temnaḍt n temdint n Dzayer-tamanaɣt. Amagrad a issawal xef temnaḍt d ucal n Leqbayel waha, wer day-s udifen ca Iqbayliyen n yiɣrem n Dzayer-tamaneɣt d temnaḍin nneḍni.

Amezruy

Amezruy aqbur

Dzayer zedɣen tt tiwsatin Timaziɣin timezwura. Jar iseggusa n 202 BC d 46 BC ttuɣa tetwassen ɣar Irumiyen d Igrigen am Numidya (s Tmaziɣt: Tinumid).

Tallitin Tinammasin

Tamurt Taqbaylit wer zmiren a tt ṭṭfen Iɛutmaniyen minzi day-s aṭṭas n idurar. Iɛutmaniyen Imselmen ṭṭfen ca n tɣemmar xef weftas waha, d ca n iɣeẓran. Idurar qqimen sadu ufus n tarwa n tmurt.

I'll add it to the opening paragraph of the article, and we can tidy it up and pan-Berberise it later.

Any useful material in the Rif wikipedia article here?

Anderssakoul 21:15, 10 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

I've put some rough material translated into English from the French Wikipedia into the introduction. I;ve also taken out the following stuff, maybe to be used elsewhere: /Leqbayel d aqessis zeg Idurar n Ettell, tus-d xef tma n Yilel Agrakal. /Iqqend-d wer narekkʷi "Leqbayel" ak iwdan "Iqbayliyen" mani nneḍni: ca n 25% (25 di tmiḍi) n yiwdan Iqbayliyen zeddɣen di temnaḍt n temdint n Dzayer-tamanaɣt. Amagrad a issawal xef temnaḍt d ucal n Leqbayel waha, wer day-s udifen ca Iqbayliyen n yiɣrem n Dzayer-/tamaneɣt d temnaḍin nneḍni.

/Tamurt n Iqbayliyen(ⵜⴰⵎⵓⵔⵜ ⵏ ⵍⴾⴱⴰⵉⵍ) neɣ Tamurt n Izwawen tezga-d deg Tafarka n Ugafa. Imawlan-is ssawal-as "Tamurt Idurar" neɣ "Tamurt" kan. /Imezdaɣ-is (Iqbayliyen, Izwawen neɣ leqbayel) ttmeslayen taqbaylit, yiwet si ger tutlayin n yimaziɣen. Anderssakoul 14:48, 15 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

Tamurt n Leqbayel niɣ Leqbayel /d tamnaḍt yellan/ is a historical and ethno-linguistic region situated /di ugafa n Dzayer/ to the east of Algiers /xef Yilel Agrakal/. A densely populated land of mountains, it is surrounded by coastal plains to the west and east, by the Mediterranean to the north, and by the Highlands to the south. Leqbayel teddal aṭṭas n temnaḍin n Dzayer: marra Tizi Wezzu d Bgayet, azyen ameqqran n Tubirett (Lebwira), d ca n iqessisen n temnaḍin n Burj Bu Ɛririǧ, Jijel, Bumerdas, d Sṭif. (mani tella Tazyazzalt Tanamurt n Guraya) d Tazyazzalt Tanamurt n Ǧurǧura, usin-d ula d nitni d Leqbayel.

The area takes its name from the Kabyles, the Berber ethnic group living there. Arabs call the region "بلد القبائ" (pronounced [blæd ləqbæyəl] in Algerian Arabic ), literally "land of the tribes". The Kabyles call it "tamurt n leqbayel", or simply "tamurt", meaning "homeland". Kabyles are the second most populous Berber people after the Chleuhs in Morocco. They speak the Kabyle variety of Berber. Although Kabylie shares a close political and social history with the rest of Algeria, the region has retained a distinct, Amazigh, cultural identity.

The region's history includes resistance to various conquerors, from the Phoenicians to the French, and the emergence in its territory of states such as those of the Fatimids and the local Hammadids. In modern times, since the Berber Spring in 1980, Kabyles have been at the forefront of the fight for the official recognition of the Berber language (see Languages of Algeria) and secularism in Algeria. Replaced the rough text above with the translation by Aryaz Anderssakoul 12:16, 16 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

Moved raw material temporarily to Tamurt_n_Leqbayel_raw - Anderssakoul 13:34, 16 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

The Tifinagh equivalent of "æ" and "ə"

You need to add the Tifinagh equivalents of "æ" (which would be: ⴰ or ⴰ̆ ) and of "ə" (which would be: ⴻ) to the Latin-to-Tifinagh conversion code. (but not to the Tifinagh-to-Latin conversion code)

--Aryaz 13:46, 16 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

For the moment, I've just disabled conversion for the phonetic transcription text. An alternative would be to write the article text as 'blad leqbayel', and it would convert OK. Anderssakoul 16:42, 18 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

There's still more material to go into subsections, from translation file by Aryaz. Anderssakoul 00:39, 19 Tuber 2011 (UTC)

Maybe add something about the character early, such as villages on hilltops. Put stuff about towns like Tizi and Bejaia early, for finding it. Anderssakoul 10:26, 22 Tuber 2011 (UTC)